Note: This was trained mostly on Kuroinuu Juu and Glamour works so it has a bias towards bigger breasts. Don't complain if you try to make her flat and it doesn't work.
V2:
Here's the V2 as promised, a bit late because there was a power outage minutes before saving the last epoch. Was the universe against it? Likely! But as a deviant proud man of culture, the universe can go fuck self pleasure itself :P.
Works fine with: <lora:SMUsagiTsukinoV16:0.65> smusagitsukino, <outfit>
I managed to more or less isolate the following outfits, I had to be stupidly specific to maximize separation as i kept getting a virtual soup:
ClassicSM_Blue_skirt_White_gloves_Red_boots_Red_choker_Red_bowtie_Red_back_bow_Circlet_Red_bun_cover
EternalSM_Yellow_layered_skirt_Pink_puffy_sleeves_White_gloves_White_boots_Wing_brooch_Red_choker_Red_ribbon_Wings_Hairpin_Red_bun_cover_Golden_crescent_forehead_mark
SuperSM_White_skirt_White_gloves_Red_boots_Yellow_choker_Red_bowtie_White_back_bow_Crescent_circlet_Hairpin_Red_bun_cover
Princess_white_strapless_dress_huge_back_bow_Golden_crescent_forehead_mark
school_uniform_blue_serafuku_blue_back_bow_red_bowtie
golden_crescent_forehead_mark: use this in the negatives to get rid of it or boost it.
This V2 is technically V16 while the prodigy optimizer is not normally better than AdamW. In some edge case like this where the sailor moon concept is so cooked into the model it overbakes anything even tangentially related to it.
So here's what happened, the eternal outfit is much more complex that the other ones yet is still recognized by SD as a sailor senshi outfit. So to train it properly I need to increase the repetitions but the sailor moon concept is so trained into the model that the extra repetitions overbaked the LORA. The V1 iteration of the LOCON was done using normalization to limit the over bakedness but it only worked to a point. I spent most of this and the past week tweaking the repetitions, tagging and leaning rate, until i stumbled on the Prodigy optimizer. As it is dynamic it seems to have done a good job at leaning the undertrained parts(the outfits) while ignoring the over trained parts(usagi herself.)
Regardless! As always I'll add the training dataset and tags summary so people can play with those. There's a lot of bits and pieces of her uniform in there if you want to mix and match instead of only using her stock uniform.
V1:
Don't you have one of those occasions in which you know the answer to a problem, you actually have two plausible solutions and yet you stupidly take the third, the long shot one?
Well this is it. This LOCON uses mostly the same dataset as my LORA version with some minor tweaking.
Seems to work fine with: <lyco:SMUsagiTsukinoV6:.6>, SMUsagiTsukino,
Available clothing sets are:
StandardSenshiOutfit
EternalSMOutfit (Bleeds over super)
SuperSMOutfit (Bleeds over Eternal)
SMPrincessOutfit
SMSchoolUniform
KuroInuLingerieSailorOutfit (porny)
Note: This is not better than the LORA, it is just different. Only "positive" thing I noticed is that If you use it with a photorealistic model, it makes dollar store cosplayers.
The issue with my LORA was bleeding between costumes, it is till present here but in a lesser degree. My plausible solutions were either isolate the costumes as if the were different characters essentially making the LORA a character pack or B use regularization images to make sure the LORA understood that Usagi Tsukino isn't the same as sailor moon. Well I choose the third option, my thought process went like this: "LOCON absorb more detail, thus even if LORA sees them as the same maybe the LOCON won't" and it kind of worked. Her default outfit and the Kuroinu's porny one have a lot less bleeding. Super and eternal are sill a soup. I blame the skirts multi color nature making them absurdly similar tag wise in SD's eyes making them essentially the same except for some coloring and small accessories.
Anyway... at some point I'll do a retrain, probably isolating the outfits as individual characters, if I have the motivation i might even do a V2 for both the LORA and the LOCON. I could try reg images but the extra training time coupled with my inexperience makes me reluctant. The theory seems sound in my mind, in fact i already had a small group of images tagged only as Usagi tsukino and expected SD to sort the tags by itself, but they were a relatively small amount of images compared to the full weight of the others, if I use them as Reg images I'll have to up the repetitions by a lot. and probably double the already long training time. But I am rambling let's leave it as regularization images seem like a solution but they always bite at your available training time.
As always I'll add the training dataset and tags summary so people can play with those.
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sometimes titties don't need to be watermelon-sized, ya know?
I like what i like, Her boobs are properly tagged so you should be able to add medium, or small. It might fight you a bit though and will likely settle on a C if you don't use any boob related tag.
@knxo respectable.
And relatable. I get no end of back-seating from the peanut gallery when I add pubes to my nsfw gens
how much harder/differant is it to make a lyco versus a lora?
so far, I've only made a handful of loras on kohya's webui...
Not too much, for locon the dim and alpha tend to be a bit lower. The training time is I would say 10-20% slower. But! As Always the caveat... Clean up your dataset as much as possible as it tends to pick up much more detail, the good and the bad. Otherwise it is identical to a LORA.
@knxo cool.
is it hard to learn how to use multple concepts with the lyco?
EG like this model: 1 girl with multiple outfits
@dustystu Not really, as long as the outfits are different enough it shouldn't be an issue. That's the problem i had two of the outfits are extremely similar tags wise making SD "think" they are the same. Just make sure to pick good triggers(pass them through SD and check they either return noise or something similar to what you want) and prune the individual tags that make up your costume so the trigger "absorbs" those concepts.
@dustystu In my guide I explain it a bit in more detail. Feel free to ask if it still confusing. https://civitai.com/articles/138/making-a-lora-is-like-baking-a-cake The procedure is identical in LORAs or LOCON.
Good job, but can you create a copy for lora?
https://civitai.com/models/80231/usagi-tsukino-fanart-sailor-moon This one is also mine, the dataset is almost identical, the only difference is the training mechanism. LOCONs naturally pick more details(for good or ill).
Please do all the sailor moon girls
No promises. I do have an older Saturn somewhere in the backburner. I will definitely do mars at some point. Jupiter, that i don't know as there are already some good loras of her. Venus and Mercury I am not sure i like them enough to motivate me to collect and clean their datasets. For the outers I do have a scheduled retrain of Pluto(mostly to simply the usage as one derpy noob screwed up, gave it a low score from which it never recovered. And to add insult to injury i had to teach him what he did wrong. I seem to still be salty from that one) and the Uranus and Neptune combo one. I might also at some point do an older chibimoon/blacklady but that one I will really need to dig under stones to find enough non derpy images.
@knxo I did not even know they had all these different outfits for each character. I think that is what I would like to see if you do more, in either case I show my results.
